OOC Thread

You know, I'm legitimately curious. How does it make sense that Kovu inexplicably has this ability to know everything that's going on when none of the other DWoW ghosts have exhibited this ability? Let's use Penny as an example. She doesn't automatically know everything that's going on in Patches' head in the thread they're interacting in, nor did she express knowledge of what was going on in Rebecca's head when she was watching over her before she died. Leroy never had knowledge of everything going on in 627's head when he came down to visit him, either, and the only way ghosts seem to know any of what's going on in the war is because they watch from the sky. As far as I know, they didn't automatically gain all this knowledge upon dying.

Actually, while I'm on the subject, when in the history of ever has a ghost expressed being an all seeing, all knowing entity? I'm no expert, and I'm not claiming to be one here, but I don't think that's a thing ghosts do in general.

=/ Are you really going to make a big deal out of that? That's my personal belief, I didn't realize it was going to cause such a ruckus geez. Fine then Kovu knows zilch, are you guys happy now?

It isn't like I did that with Mufasa or anything and no one said anything...

You guys really think too hard about this stupid rp sometimes, it takes the fun out of it when people think so hard to the point where things are "impossible".. I mean geez we have animals communicating freely with humans and exhibiting humanlike behavior and it's freakin DISNEY. Does it HAVE to be strictly realistic and something that would really be plausible in real life 100% of the time?

Excuse me? I'm doing my job here as the continuity checker. It goes against the continuity to have one ghost randomly go against what's already been established by the others. And yes, I get that it's Disney and it doesn't have to be realistic 100% of the time. That doesn't mean we can throw out established continuity about this sort of thing.

Feb 9, 2014 19:39:54 GMT -5 Kovu's Ghost said:

=/ Are you really going to make a big deal out of that? That's my personal belief, I didn't realize it was going to cause such a ruckus geez. Fine then Kovu knows zilch, are you guys happy now?

It isn't like I did that with Mufasa or anything and no one said anything...

You guys really think too hard about this stupid rp sometimes, it takes the fun out of it when people think so hard to the point where things are "impossible".. I mean geez we have animals communicating freely with humans and exhibiting humanlike behavior and it's freakin DISNEY. Does it HAVE to be strictly realistic and something that would really be plausible in real life 100% of the time?

Watch your mouth. Do not call this roleplay stupid unless you plan on leaving.

No, you're right. It wouldn't be too fun if we made DWOW strictly realistic, but there's a fine line between realism and godmodding. God-modding refers to a character who is capable of getting out of any situation. For example, the character might encounter an obstacle. Instead of dealing with it in a plausible or semi-plausible manner, the character will suddenly display an ability that he or she never been observed to be capable of previously in order to overcome said obstacle. Kovu being able to read minds, despite no other ghost displaying such a feat, can be perceived as god-modding. It's never explained, it just happened. That's why Ray and Angel are upset, and rightfully so.

.. you're seriously going to take offense to me calling a -roleplay- stupid? It's fiction. I'm not insulting a person. Unless you're for some reason taking offense to the fact I said you take it too seriously.

Did you even read what I said?

Feb 9, 2014 22:52:42 GMT -5 Kovu's Ghost said:

.. you're seriously going to take offense to me calling a -roleplay- stupid? It's fiction. I'm not insulting a person. Unless you're for some reason taking offense to the fact I said you take it too seriously.

Did you even read what I said?

Yes, I am. By calling the roleplay stupid, you're insulting the people behind DWOW. You wouldn't want someone to call your OC stupid.

And before you get mad, I don't think your OC is stupid. I actually adore her design(s).

What a question. I read your posts. You're upset because Angel's plans + DWOW's continuity aren't in cahoots with your plans, and you feel like we're ganging up on you.

My turn. Did you read what Angel wrote? How about Ray? Me? Angel and Ray explained why they didn't want Kovu to interfere w/ Kiara's objective to kill Simba, and why Kovu's ghost can't read minds. What about me? I just told you the difference between god-modding and realism. Evidently, you decided from the beginning you're right because you made NO attempt to compromise. You didn't acknowledge me, and you continued to defy Angel and Ray's requests because of your beliefs.

I'm not one to hold grudges. I'm willing to put this behind me if you're willing to compromise. Maybe if you explained (within reason) why Kovu can read minds while the other ghosts can't, it won't harm the DWOW continuity. If you want to get involved in Angel and Ray's plans, I'd ask questions and respect their decisions, whether you agree with them or not.

I didn't defy anyone, I'm just explaining my reasoning behind what I had Kovu do in the roleplay. It's just the natural thing I see Kovu doing, which everyone blatently ignored me stating. Kovu would WANT KIARA TO KNOW SIMBA DIDN'T KILL HIM. It doesn't matter what -I- as his respective roleplayer think, HE would want Kiara to know this and he would TRY at all cost to get her to realize it. Even if she respectively denied his words and decided to write it off as complete foolishness and/or a daydream. I never said Ray OR Angel HAD to agree with me at any cost, I'm just saying this is what Kovu would do.

And if it bothers you so much, which I've stated ALREADY, then Kovu can no longer "read minds". I didn't think everyone would jump down my throat over it, I just figured Kovu would instinctively know since he's dead what the living are up to and what their motives are. It doesn't have to be such a huge deal, you guys are blowing it way out of proportion. I mean what do you call Leroy and etc looking down on the land of the living? If you really want to go that route with me, then I guess they can't look down from heaven and see what living people and animals are doing either.

But I'm tired of arguing with you, this is absolutely ridiculous. If Kovu can't be clairvoyant or whatever, fine. I just don't think it is god-modding especially since it doesn't even have to affect what's happening in the rp unless Kiara or Vitani or 627 AGREED AND LISTENED TO WHAT HE SAID TO THEM.

And.. one more thing. You CHOSE to interpret me calling the rp stupid as insulting the people behind it. That's not what I said at all. I said you're taking a fictional piece of work WAAAAAAAY too seriously and it is seriously stupid sometimes how much people seem to read into characters' actions and motives to the point where some things are blatantly declared impossible and written off completely. I mean what's the point of writing fiction at all if you're going to overanalyze and agonize over what's realistically possible and plausible? Sure it needs a certain amount of believability, but I Think that it's often taken over the top here and it really sucks the fun out of just writing a Disney character.

Actually, Nasira, it's just Angel's plans for Kiara. I merely stepped in to back him up. ^^

Anyway. I'd call what the ghosts see happening from up above them seeing it as it's happening, just the same as anyone else would. The only difference is that they're seeing it from above. That does not equal being all seeing, all knowing beings. They don't even have to watch all the time. Only when they choose to actually get off their duffs and look down on the earth.

Well, you're still ignoring what I said. He only had a sense of her thinking he was killed by Simba and I said like three times already it's not an issue and it's okay if he isn't "mind reading" or clairvoyant so why are you still trying to argue?

My answer tl;dr was essentially "yes I know yes I know yes I know and these are my reasons and it's okay if you don't want to follow along with them" because in the end he's only a ghost and what a ghost can and cannot do in the real world is a subjective topic anyway. Can we just drop it please? I wasn't even trying to create an argument, it just got blown way out of proportion.

Feb 10, 2014 0:42:17 GMT -5 Ray said:

Actually, Nasira, it's just Angel's plans for Kiara. I merely stepped in to back him up. ^^

Anyway. I'd call what the ghosts see happening from up above them seeing it as it's happening, just the same as anyone else would. The only difference is that they're seeing it from above. That does not equal being all seeing, all knowing beings. They don't even have to watch all the time. Only when they choose to actually get off their duffs and look down on the earth.

Oops, my bad. Fixed it. ^^

... appreciate being ignored. Yup. Alright then.

Feb 10, 2014 0:59:27 GMT -5 Kovu's Ghost said:

... appreciate being ignored. Yup. Alright then.

Didn't you want to drop it?

so you wrap it up by talking to Ray but not me when I was apparently the source of a nonexistent problem? Makes sense.

So... is this problem resolved? ^^; I didn't want to get involved before, but just wondering if the thread is still going on.

Yes, Vitani. The issue's been dropped.